Even without a lie, I've seen situations in which the need to disclose something might have been questionable and the pilot answered "yes" one year, but "no" in a later year. Indeed, in 2000 the Aeromedical Certification Division granted twice as many 'special issuance' certificates to pilots who had a significant medical condition, like coronary heart disease, a valve implant, a pacemaker, or alcoholism, as it did 10 years earlier. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. I gave up on my dreams. Its sad. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. You are better off to work truthfully with your AME. No, most pilots have few issues. In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. All because of a blood pressure medication I put on my 2012 medical form. Furthermore, any standard of medical concern for pilots is lost because it allows the FAA to turn a blind eye to a medical condition. Until recently, a new pilot who had prostate cancer 10 years ago and has no evidence of recurrence had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and might have required special issuance. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. A pilot might reason, for example, that the antidepressant he's taken for months hasn't caused any side effects and actually makes him more mentally fit to fly, a safer pilot. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. Anonomous, Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. It was a more difficult process than if I had done it 20 years prior. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. Its just not opening an unnecessary can of worms. One is. Not all applicants with OSA are required to have that test. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. George ED King says: While I share our concern about pilots going unconscious in flight, I have as much concern about FAA going unconscious while on the job. He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. Each time the Dr. hit the switch, my friend kicked me under the table and I could respond that I had heard the tone in the headset as required. , you can navigate the process efficiently. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. Im sorry to hear that. You actually do have a point and I think the same thing sometimes if people want to be private pilots they shouldnt even have to carry a third class medical just their drivers license. The FAA will then require more detailed medical information before they can determine if you qualify for a medical certificate. Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. Society cares little about helping people with mood disorders beyond marginalizing them and throwing them into a risk factor category and dismissing their issues. Pilots need to grow some, stand together, and stop tolerating it. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. What makes an airplane as a machine so different. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? They defer anyone with a deferrable problem rather than have the pilot provide the necessary data from the treating physician(s) before submitting the 8500-8. In certain circumstances, I wouldnt think twice about lying on the medical form, quite frankly. If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. For what do you have special issuance? If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. The list of silliness just goes on and on. Meanwhile the FAA now sits on thier collective thumbs deciding what to do. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. Lesson learned here is that not all Air Physicians are the same when it comes to evaluating pilots. I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. I believe you are mis-informed; as long as I hold a once valid third class medical and a valid drivers license, and have not had a third class medical that disqualified me since that qualifying medical exam, Im eligible to fy Sport!I refer you to the following links: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/response2/, http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/, This is a common misunderstanding. Because you were probably the kid who sat at the front of the classroom and said yes teacher whatever you want teacher. Never used my weapon except for training. Tell them what you will be it will be you that is on the bench because you failed the medical. He exists to remove one of the joys of my life. He knew it. And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. I HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY TRIED FOR A MEDICAL OR A LISENSE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. Gordon, With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Bicycle accident deaths 700 Wouldn't it be nice if, when you opened up Med Expres, all the information that you had included in your last application was there for reference. I would like to see how many incidents of NOT seeking medical attention, due to knowing that the FAA will pull their ticket, have led to problems. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. There is something very wrong with a system when every one of its users hates it. Multiple assaults or domestic convictions might indicate some psychiatric disturbance that requires looking into. People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. Period. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. He proceeded to read off the list and after a half dozen items to which I responded No, he said You wouldnt tell me if you had any of these, would you? Just like the annual inspection on the aircraft, when it was signed off everything was supposed to be airworthy, what happens after that is anyones guess. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. But what happens when the FAA lies. I always had to do a stress test, but starting 2 years ago, that has been expanded to require radionuclide scintigraphy every other year. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. I have been flying for 39 years and professionally since I was 18. I love flying and if I had to give it up, I know I would feel like part of me, and who I am, has been lost. I WAS A BIRD DOG PILOT IN VIETNAM FOR 3+ YEARS WHEN I WAS SENT TO THE DECK BY SMALL ARMS FIRE. I look at the FAA as the enemy trying to take my life away. It is also very much a question of freedom. A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? The FAA will catch the application when it comes across due to the flags. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. I agree that the FAA has an interest in regulating commercial pilots but anyone else should have to produce a drivers license. There are hardly any crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation and if there were the FAA or NTSB would have expressed grave concerns. Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? Now compare the above tabulation with: GA total deaths 400 If its temporary, shaddup about it. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. Have you ever been dizzy etc. This does not mean that the AME should ignore any disqualifying condition that you might have. Some pilots are terrified of the FAA's power to revoke their flying privileges and, accordingly, bend or ignore the rules. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. Perhaps its not actually a lie, maybe just selectively forgetting something. Eat right, excercise, dont smoke, and dont take drugs of any kind. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. It's not those. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. My problem is with it taking MONTHS of run around after the issue is handled to the FAAs satisfaction per the conditions they themselves tell us we need to meet. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. You can be fined up to $250,000 and jailed for five years for lying to the federal government. I dont feel it would be correct to try to hide a condition from these people. I can meet Class 1 if I fib. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. PER your admission the need for a medical is a mute issue I drive there for I fly. Id rather be flying but I dont require the FAAs approval for my activities. Ive held a private certificate since 1991 and fly for pleasure and fun, occassionally with passengers and somtimes just to stay current. And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. There is so much hearing loss among the older pilot population, but current practices do not do much more than whisper a question when not facing the pilot. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? If thats not a bigger threat to safety, I dont know what is. The FAA processes close to 400,000 flight physicals every year. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. Therefore, I lied. https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. Yea if you got deep pockets to afford the tests you Probably dont need. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. I aeree. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. Its not lying its letting them find out, which would probably never happen unless something came out about it. Never happens! I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. How does the FAA find out what medications you are on? A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.). SOO going by the statistic that YOU pointed outof very few incidents and the comments that have been made that alot of piolts tell little white lies to an AME to keep their medical . its the government way. On the other hand, the 3rd class questionnaire seems more like screening for One change I would like in the current procedure for the special issuance is to have my AME rather than those in Oklohoma City decide if I am healthy enough to fly. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. The fibbing about a little issue. NO. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. Hmmm Wiley Post was one of the great Aviators flue around the world was he Illeagle??? How many of you have had an enforcement action for a medical violation? The Dr. the agency recommended was an AMI. I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. PO Box 882196 Thats just BS. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. However the CAA would not accept the word of the doctors at the hospital nor my own doctor and insisted I had to follow the procedure. The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. It is so easy for those not flying professionally to prescribe stricter rules for those that do. Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. What is 1st 2nd and 3rd class FAA medical? So Rex you never spun around and got dizzy as a child? I believe those with conditions that would be considered a problem while flying (vertigo, blackouts, narcolepsy, use of medications that cause side effects that present without warning and could be debilitating, etc.) They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. My name is not Gustavo either. The Federal Aviation Regulations and U.S. law require that FAA Form 8500-8, the application for a medical certificate, be filled out completely and truthfully'or else. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. G E King, HIPPA Law prevents them from looking at your medical history without your consent. Over forty years I have watched the change from Aryan superman standards to wheelchair/ limbless PPL pilots. Also remember Ronald Crews 16 months in jail flying with Cape Air back in 2006 for lying about his diabetes on question 18k and then he had a diabetic seizure in flight but luckily there was a student pilot there to land the plane. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. Just waht we need more busybodys like you who cant mind their own business. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. 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